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Promiscuous Female
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:44:00 -
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a big thank you to all the people who told folks not to vote |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:47:00 -
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Destoya wrote:I'll come forward and say that I did not vote with any of my 7 accounts.
Honestly seemed like too much effort to first find out who I actually wanted to vote for and then juggle all the logins for such a small payoff so I just put it off until the deadline had passed.
The lineup seems fine to me though; I probably wouldn't have voted significantly differently so I really cant complain. it's not your fault -- it's the fault of your leadership for not telling you how to vote |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:53:00 -
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Destoya wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: it's not your fault -- it's the fault of your leadership for not telling you how to vote
Did I miss the mass e-mail/skype broadcast by The Mittani that got sent out to every null sec alliance so we could own the CSM and therefore CCP like last year? Dang. you're not in the cfc, why would you give a flip about what we think
i am talking about the leadership of your alliance failing to do their job in affecting the metagame |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:07:00 -
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truly have i been puppetmastered this day |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:21:00 -
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stv owns if you are us
the csm where we elected the mittani and vile rat (rip) we had to use a janky-ass interstitial on goonfleet dot com to properly split the vote
now we can just put forth a single ticket for everyone and the vote automatically gets split amongst our preferred candidates
so thanks again to the people who suggested it, iirc it was people who were not us who thought it was a good idea primarily but I could be wrong |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:37:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:mynnna wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Voting is a lot of work and it's pretty hard. it is when they're asking you to pick 14 people. i literally got to about 6 or 7 candidates and went "oh **** it, i can't be bothered" hit submit, and didn't bother logging in to vote on my alts. Picking 14 isn't required, you know. You pick up to 14. The "not filling in your ballot" mockery that Weaselior is engaging in is directed at the Provibloc folks, the vast majority of which put Corebloodbrothers and literally no one else down. e with numbers: 2944 people listed Core as their first pick. 1736 of them listed no one else. By the end of the election over 800 of those votes transferred their way off into the void instead of doing anything. Lol - how dare they vote as a bloc. the hilarity isn't that they voted as a bloc, it's that they voted in the least efficient way possible as a bloc |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:39:00 -
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800 votes applied to the right candidate could have seriously affected the chances of several candidates on the fringe if they had been applied optimally
granted it's difficult to know how to optimally apply these votes until after the results are released but it's still pretty damn shameful to have let them just evaporate for no reason other than complete ignorance |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:14:00 -
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was a shame there wasn't 800 votes there to help swing the vote in one person's favor
or even a tenth of that really |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:23:00 -
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should have uplifted some better candidates then
it is hardly our fault that the rest of eve is utterly incapable of grade-school level organization
and that is a pretty generous light to put our organization in |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:41:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:i was going to explain more why you're all nuts but i then realized that i want you to stay this way so i will agree that you did exactly the right thing, thanks buddies Lol - run out of arguments so will just say I am right. Good work. when your argument is "i was being willfully obtuse due to laziness and/or mental defect" then we are more than happy to let you be right |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:28:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Weaselior wrote:Darin Vanar wrote:Dinsdale for CSM! i would vote for dinsdale for csm as long as someone promised me video of the summits Another reason I will never run. Any video of the summits would have a good chance of being used in court proceedings. ahahahaha
what real life crime is being committed in your fantasy world |

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Posted - 2014.05.10 13:32:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:I look at the industrial redesign coming this summer and wonder how CCP could go so horridly wrong. There is sooooo much to hate about this that I wonder, is every designer at CCP just stupid?
Then I look at CSM. 30K votes out of 300K+ active accounts. 2 goons, several goon pets, nulli, other large mega alliances. NO representation form the casual players or the corps where the majority of the players are... 100 or less players.
Then the redesign makes senses.
Teams: Goons load up a system with all the best teams, crank out vast amounts of goods below anyone else's price, and gank fest anyone trying to move materials into the solar system. HUGE, rich and powerful get larger, richer and more powerful. The majority of players that operate in small corps? Forget about manufacturing post June 4.
Research: Big round up for those with well research BPOs, and insanely long research times for newer players. Have to run billion ISK ships in large batches to get the material reductions.
Cost scaling. 10,000 players running 100K concurrent jobs out of a single small POS, as long as you have the firepower to protect the POS.
CCP, STOP listening to CSM, which only represents 10% of your player base, and start thinking about the 90% of subscribed accounts that ARE NOT in one of these mega alliances. how is it ccp's fault that, if we assume your numbers are true (lol), 90% of the game can't put forth a single candidate |

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Posted - 2014.05.10 19:54:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Weaselior wrote:if we ever spend 3.15 trillion on extra votes for the CSM i can assure you we will be a lot more obvious about it because it would be one of the most hilarious trolls ever to literally buy a csm seat
like really, doing evil and not taking credit for us isn't our MO What cost? Buddy invite, activate the account with a PLEX, get a PLEX from the buddy invite, repeat.... you can't do that any more bright eyes
if the buddy pays with a plex you get defaulted to the 30d game time reward |

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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:19:00 -
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Jethrow Toralen wrote: For the next CSM if I am still playing, I may not bother to vote. The reason is, I don't need the CSM to represent my playstyle. Market forces do that for me already. I vote with my subscription. If CCP makes changes such that my chosen playstyle becomes unfun or unviable, I will be a bit more proactive than hoping that my elected representative raises my concerns via the CSM.
what a hilariously defeatist position to take
"gee ccp if you don't do exactly as I say I will unsub but there's no way for you to actually know what that is so it is a complete crapshoot" |

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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:22:00 -
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ccp can't take player feedback from hundreds of thousands of players at once, the signal to noise ratio is too damn bad
using intermediaries is a good way to improve that signal to noise ratio but if you are completely unwilling to participate then of course it doesn't help you |

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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:29:00 -
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also this argument that "the csm has too many nullsec candidates and not enough that represent MY PLAYSTYLE" is not something that ccp can actually change
ccp can't force anyone to run for the csm, the wherewithal comes from the players alone
they can't even limit the number of people that come from a particular bloc or gameplay area because the anonymizing nature of the internet lets you hide potential candidates in any bloc in the game
the only failure re: candidate choice comes from within |

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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:36:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:also this argument that "the csm has too many nullsec candidates and not enough that represent MY PLAYSTYLE" is not something that ccp can actually change also the argument is flawed on the assumption that the csm are there to push people's personal playstyles rather than to ensure ccp makes changes that benefit the health of eve as a whole. sure but that is harder to sell, regardless of the fact that it's true
seriously, mynnna is indefatigable in this regard, he casually deflects every stupid idea we tell him |

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Posted - 2014.05.11 14:59:00 -
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Jethrow Toralen wrote:I expected a more intellectually robust response from a Goonswarm person, but perhaps I have been spoiled by the Economic Warfare members. What you are deriding as 'hilariously defeatist' is simply an expression of what it means to be a rational consumer. I won't respond to your interpretation that what I wrote means 'if you don't do exactly as I say I will unsub' because that is just hyperbole and no reasonable person would extrapolate that from my post.
an intellectually robust response demands an intellectually robust statement in the first place
you did not proffer this so you get the ogre instead
the fact remains that you are making threats with your subscription instead of actively helping to make the game a better place, or even passively doing so by actually issuing your demands instead of just going "LOL ccp isn't doing what I want, I unsub" |

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Posted - 2014.05.11 15:02:00 -
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Darin Vanar wrote:Why not just have the CSM follow a certain structure to make sure the power blocs don't hold absolute power and vote themselves until they run out of votes?
You could have say, 75% of the seats be among major bloc candidates, and 25% of the seats left to be filled by independents. Meaning the blocs could fight it out for that 75% and the independents would be guaranteed to elect a voice for themselves that is not part of any particular bloc but represents some particular interests (based on platform). Who is that guy who promised to try and fix spider tanking? People like him. That person who promised all parts of space be equal, and promised to work hard. I want someone like that. (It was one of the Russians.)
not tenable
i can easily hide candidates inside the "independent" seat categories and use my bloc votes to ensure they have a seat
then surprise, while on the CSM the puppet candidates kowtow to our wishes instead of the people they claimed to represent
even if ccp makes that "illegal" and revokes csm membership at that point, the damage is done and the independent slot is burned and useless
fact of the matter is that highsec has to organize if they want power in this situation
"lol" |

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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:47:00 -
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organization does not imply that you become a "power bloc" and are thus thrust unwillingly into nullsec
fact of the matter is that nullsec does not have any special tools that allow it to be better at SPACE POLITICS than highsec is, it just has actual leaders and people who actually care about the game and, quelle surprise, that is an asset in politics
try and get that stuff first, then come back next year |

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Posted - 2014.05.11 22:08:00 -
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there is plenty of room for diversity
ccp is not at fault if the diversity does not present itself
or perhaps the diversity which you think exists does not actually exist
makes you think huh |

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Posted - 2014.05.12 00:29:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Oh, BTW, just what is the over/under on when goons and pandemic legion enhance the BOTlord agrreement to include not attacking each other's industrial cores, plus the industrial cores of the serfs on each other's empires?
considering the existing agreement already covers this despite not having predicted it in any way beforehand, i'd say it's pretty damn likely |
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